It’s Late February – You Know What That Means February 26, 2013
OFFENSIVE LINE DISCUSSION WEEK!!!
As I’ve done for the last few years… here, I’ll just let last year me describe this:
Not long ago, on a message board not far away, before the existence of ALE, a certain cranky old Illini message board personality once mocked me for wanting to discuss the Illini offensive line in late February. To him, discussing our guards and tackles 6 months before the season meant that I “needed a life” and “probably didn’t do well with the ladies” (among other standard octogenarian insults).
So the following year, at the end of February, I did it again, and he mocked me again. He said that not one single human being on earth could care about the Illini offensive line this time of year, and he wondered aloud at whether it bothered me that I was the only person who cared about Illini football this way. Your standard cheerios/urine troll stuff.
Because I’m tremendously petty, the last week of February has now become Offensive Line Discussion Week here at ALE. I’ll never not do it. I get excited when the week approaches.
Today, the guards and centers. Tomorrow, the tackles (or, as Ron Zook liked to call them, “guards who can probably play tackle if we need them to, right?”)
Why start with the guards? Because that wasn’t just a joke – Ron Zook really only recruited one type of lineman. He liked maulers. Run blockers. Go-open-a-hole-for-Rashard-or-Mikel-ers. Which is why, when moving on to the NFL, our guys always end up at guard. Jeff Allen… moved inside to guard. Our left tackle last year Hugh Thornton… will move to guard in the NFL. Our last true tackle was probably Xavier Fulton, and he was a defensive lineman who grew into a left tackle body.
Want proof that this was a problem? Look at our recruiting class this year.
Offensive Tackles: 4
Offensive Guards: 0
Offensive Centers: 0
Guards and centers? We’ve got plenty of guards and centers. Tackles? Um…
OK, so tackles are tomorrow. Here’s what I think about the interior guys. First, Graham Pocic has graduated, so we’ll need to find a new center. But we’re also tweaking the offensive scheme under Bill Cubit and new offensive line coach Jim Bridge, so most everything we saw last year can be thrown out the window. In fact, maybe the best way to do this is for me to go through the roster and tell you everything I know about each guy. And then, at the end, I’ll maybe try to throw together a three-deep.
Teddy Karras – I can’t see a scenario where Bridge doesn’t start Karras at one of the three interior spots. Just like his 74 family members who have played offensive line in the Big Ten, Karras brings a nice nasty streak that every offensive line coach loves. I’m guessing he’s a staple at right guard for the next three seasons.
Alex Hill – Hill is still my guy. That hasn’t changed. He’s the most mobile of any of the linemen – watch him pull in practice and you think you’re watching a fullback. I’ve even had “should we use him as a blocking tight end?” thoughts (no, we probably shoudn’t). But if this new scheme calls for pulling guards, Hill is your guy.
Michael Heitz – I’m putting Heitz with the guards because I like Heitz at guard better than tackle. Bridge might need him at tackle, so there’s a chance he starts spring ball on the outside again, but I’m hoping some of the younger guys step up and Heitz maybe finds a starting spot at left guard. Heitz is by far the most experienced lineman on the entire line – he’s only a redshirt junior, but he’s played a full two seasons already.
Jake Feldmeyer – With Pocic gone, Feldmeyer is probably the most likely pick to become starting center next year. But any time you switch line coaches, they always seem to favor the younger guys – they want to build a great line 2-3 years down the road. So that’s probably working against Feldmeyer. Working for him: he’s a fifth year senior and might be able to provide some veteran leadership to this young team.
Joseph Spencer – As you read here back in August, he was my favorite young lineman. From the drills I saw in Rantoul, Spencer really delivered a great punch. Reminded me a bit of Ryan McDonald. For now, he’s my early line favorite to win the starting center job. The only drawback: he’s just a redshirt freshman, and he might need one or two more years in the weight room before he’s ready to take on an Ohio State defensive tackle.
Chris Boles – Big. Chris Boles is big. Maybe a little too big – a year ago right now he was the guy picked last when they chose strength and conditioning teams. According to the coaches, he used that as motivation and he showed up in Rantoul in much better shape (I think he dropped from 345 to 325). Will he ever get into Big Ten playing shape? This, his third (rs-soph) season, is probably when we find out.
Tony Durkin – It’s always the spring before a guy’s redshirt sophomore season where I have an “oh yeah, Tony Durkin” moment. Well, it’s not officially called an “Oh Yeah Tony Durkin Moment” – it’s just that I always forget about certain players who arrived on campus almost three years ago. My boy Jack Cornell was like that. His third year, spring practice, and I’m all “oh yeah, Jack Cornell”. Here’s hoping Durkin takes the exact same path. Beard and all.
Chris O’Connor – O’Connor and Durkin were high school teammates. Durkin arrived as an offensive lineman and O’Connor arrived as a defensive tackle. But last fall, the coaching staff switched O’Connor to offensive guard. When I saw him in Rantoul he looked like… well, he looked like a defensive lineman playing offensive line. He still has a lot to learn about his new position.
Shawn Afryl – On signing day, I always say the same thing about offensive linemen we recruit: Redshirt him, feed him, set up a cot in the weight room, and unleash him in his fourth (redshirt junior) season. Well, this will be Afryl’s redshirt junior season. Which means it’s now or never. He’s bounced back and forth from tackle to guard his first three seasons – this fall he’ll need to find a role and push for minutes.
OK, so who starts? And who is the first guy off the bench? It’s a difficult question, what with us not knowing the offensive (or even the blocking) schemes yet. But going off Bill Cubit’s “north-south running” comments at his introductory press conference, here’s how I’m setting up the depth chart at the interior positions:
LG: Heitz/Hill/O’Connor
C: Spencer/Feldmeyer/Durkin
RG: Karras/Boles/Afryl
First subs off the bench, I’d say Hill and then Feldmeyer. The other guys are probably just too young to make an impact yet.
All of that, of course, is subject to change wildly after only a few spring practices. Once we see the scheme and the blocking techniques we’ll have a better idea who starts. So this is all way premature. Wait, why am I doing this in February again? Oh yeah.
Time to go watch Gene-Gene again.
i can say with near 100% certainty that everyone in that Gene Gene video is on coke and pills. damn, what a time to be alive.
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great breakdown Robert. you said “Cubit and Bridge are going to do different things on the Oline.” any specifics you can share or is this just inference since they are new?
I have to admit that, at this time, I’m much more interested in reading the Gong Show comments. WOW!
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I bet even you didn’t know that Arte Johnson, one of the cast members in the video, is a 1949 graduate of the University of Illinois.
4 offensive tackles were recruited in the 2013 class? Say what.
If the 4 guys you are talking about are Hinkhouse (265), Dilauro(240), Schmidt (270), and Chadwell (260) I think its a big stretch to even call them O-lineman at this point. I’ve seen high school lines have bigger guys across them than that.
One more comment on basketball – Bo Ryan is amazing. The guy has one of his worst teams, in a pretty tough Big 10, and he’s going to finish 13-5 in the league. Every year he’s in the top 4. You got the top 5 (Wis, IU, MSU, Mich, Ohio State), the middle 3 (IL, Iowa, MN), and the bottom 4 (PU, NW, NEb, PSU). I wonder if the quality of the top of the league isnt evened out by the wretchness of the bottom.
Putz: Please name any basketball conference where there isn’t a stark contrast between the top and bottom of the league. (Perhaps there’s a church league somewhere where every team finishes the season undefeated…..)
Who was Jaye P Morgan before the Gong Show? Did they invent her?
Also, I would rather watch my team lose every game than be a Badger fan with amazing Bo Ryan coaching.
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Such a stupid analysis on the strength of the Big Ten. Your league’s reputation is formed by how many teams you send to the dance (and their seeding) not how many teams you don’t send. Big East (let’s call them an “old school powerhouse), used to have numerous bottom feeders but was considered the top conference due to the strength of the top teams. Why not apply the same logic to other conferences? Even the vaunted SEC football conference has perennial doormat Kentucky.
True freshman offensive tackles are underweight? Robert is going to say: “Redshirt, Tisdale-diet, hit the weight room; and wait 2-3 years for them to be ready”. How many true freshman are ready to step in play OL in the B1G anyway? I would agree there is no point to add a JC transfer if he can’t contribute right away.
I’m no Beckman supporter and wouldn’t cry if he were canned at the end of next year. But, I would still rather see him succeed and not go through another coaching change.
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FYI, my comment was to JJ, not Robert (or any others).
Joe John if you have followed recruiting at all Beckman wanted more mobile OL and has reported that all OL have already gained at least 10lbs since being on campus.
ATO: I think what Arte Johnson is doing to the woman in that clip would get him 10-to-life in today’s court system….
i hope the Oline is better next year. they have been terrible for our last 18 games, and honestly weren’t that good for the last 24.
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i have to think we get better right? we have a number of guys (Feldmeyer, Karras, Heitz, Cvich, HIll) that already have experience. We have a number of young guys that haven’t played yet.
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of course, i thought our ST had to get better, because it couldn’t get worse. it just stayed worse. we’ll see if our new OC and position coach can make an impact because i don’t think any of our newcomers will.
I love that you’re talking o-line in February! I may be in the minority, but I still care regardless that my expectations for the upcoming football season are very low. Maybe it’s just trying to find a reason for hope, but still like reading about it.
I think we’re going to be serviceable in the middle, but it’s the tackles that scare the hell out of me. I think our best hope is Corey Lewis, but that remains to be seen…
Looking forward to your tackle analysis tomorrow!
I am happy to read about IL FB 24/7. The sting of all the losses of last season has lessened and I am actually looking forward to hopefully a better team on the field and more wins. The new coaches Beck brought in seem better than the staff last year. Beck surely feels under the gun and is doing everything to make the program better. So, let’s give him a chance. I will have to admit that if we have another bad season full of blowout losses that the fans in the seats will disappear. I gave my tickets away at toward the end of last season. I could not stand it. But, a new season spawns new hope. Let’s hope the OL gets the job done. It can’t get any worse (can it?).
C’mon, ALE! You’re slacking! Where’s the tackle analysis? I stayed up all night waiting for it! Go ILLINI!