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Knocking Down A Few Myths For Game Week August 27, 2012

Myths probably isn’t the right word. Misconceptions? Non-truths?

No, I think myths is correct. As we approach the season, I keep seeing certain phrases repeated over and over, and they bother me. It’s mostly the national media in season previews, but I’ve seen some other things on Twitter and such. They’re mostly harmless, but I’ve never met a piece of Illini Football misinformation that I haven’t wanted to set straight. Here’s three things that have been bugging me.

Zook left the cupboard stacked just like he did at Florida

Yes and no. Mostly no. Certainly not like he did at Florida.

Is our talent level higher than it was in 2005 when Zook took over? Absolutely. Without question. Ron Zook could both spot talent and recruit blue chippers. In the 2011 draft, we had three highly recruited players picked in the first three rounds. In the 2012 draft, we had four not-so-highly recruited players picked in the first two rounds. Zook could both land the blue-chippers and find the sleepers. Too bad he couldn’t coach.

We have 4 or 5 more players on this roster that should get selected next April, too. Maybe even some more first and second rounders. So yes, Zook did leave some talent. Especially in this senior class. But after that…

Recruiting class rankings on Rivals, 2006 to 2012:
2006: #30
2007: #20
2008: #23
2009: #35
2010: #70
2011: #42
2012: #64

Recruiting class rankings on Scout, 2006 to 2012:
2006: #28
2007: #20
2008: #19
2009: #35
2010: #57
2011: #41
2012: #69

Anyone else see the same trend? Yes, Ron Zook left the cupboard full. Of seniors. When the 2009 season tanked, players like CJ Fiedorowicz and Corey Cooper and Daniel Easterly and Andy Gallik bailed on their verbals. There will still some Ron Zook diamonds-in-the-rough like Jay Prosch and Jonathan Brown, but the class ranking fell quickly that December and January as seven players bailed. The 2011 and 2012 classes (2012 was mostly Zook recruits but had nine Tim Beckman recruits) just weren’t up to par with what Zook was doing from 2006 through 2009.

As such, he hesitated in 2010 and 2011 to play younger guys and build depth. Leaving Tim Beckman in the quandary he’s in now: a second string with very little experience.

So yes, Zook left us better than he found us. But the “Zook left the cupboard stocked” thing that keeps getting thrown around would have only been true had Ron Zook been fired after the 2009 debacle. It’s just not true in 2012.

The offensive struggles last year were because of Nathan Scheelhaase

Criticism of Nathan last year is very fair. You saw some of it here. I was most upset with his decision making. Taking off to run too soon, locking in on AJ too much, etc. We all wanted more.

But that doesn’t mean he won’t come out in 2012 and put together a fine season. Especially if we can get our offensive line figured out. The thing that I barely see mentioned: Nathan was running for his life last year.

Here’s some interesting stats put together by The Daily Illini:

The Illini surrendered 36 sacks last year, ranking 102nd in college football and 10th in the Big Ten, which only ranked above Northwestern and Ohio State. They also allowed 89 tackles for loss, good for 101st in the FBS and 10th in the Big Ten, above Ohio State and Indiana.

36 sacks and 89 other tackles in our backfield? I challenge any quarterback to put up solid numbers with that amount of defensive pressure. Jeff Allen and Jack Cornell had solid senior seasons last year, but I think it’s fair to say that all three of the other linemen struggled (and, as has been seen in this camp, might have been playing out of position).

Yes, part of that TFL number can be found in our lack of a passing game. Keep the safeties honest, burn a few blitzes, and the defense has to stay honest and can’t apply that much pressure in your backfield. But lots of plays in Petrino’s passing offense called for slow-developing pocket and a wait-for-it wait-for-it wait-for-it throw, and Nathan just didn’t have the time to wait for it.

Enter a new offensive scheme, a new blocking scheme, and a new “get the ball to playmakers in space” mentality. If the line can execute it well, I think Nathan can flourish.

Illinois is the only Big Ten team coming off back-to-back bowl wins

OK, so that one is true. It was two 6-and-6 teams squeaking into the bowl season, but yes, we’re the only back-to-back bowl winners in the B1G.

But that keeps getting tossed around as a way to paint this as a “healthy” or “vibrant” program that Tim Beckman inherited, and I just don’t think that’s the case. Here’s an accurate picture, at least in my mind:

1) There’s decent talent, even with the recruiting fall-off. Zook could spot talent, so even the lowly-ranked 2010 class has had several solid contributors so far. But that talent hasn’t been developed. Typically, a team that is “back to back bowl wins” healthy has developed their younger players so that they’re ready to contribute immediately when called upon. That’s just not the case here.

2) Fan interest is at an incredible low. Sorry, it just is. 2009 was a deathblow. Fans rode the wave of the 80′s and gave Lou Tepper 3 or 4 years after he started to slip, but then he left us in shambles. People bought into Turner after the Sugar Bowl, and he fell to a 1 win season in 2003 and left the program in shambles. People really bought into Zook after the recruiting wins and the Rose Bowl trip, so much so that they forgave him for 2008. But then 2009 – preseason January bowl predictions everywhere and then 3-9 – killed fan interest like nothing I’ve seen in all my years obsessing over Illini football. Two bowl wins in 2010 and 2011 and we’re still bleeding fans. It will take a significant amount of time before there’s another fan buy-in.

3) The schedule is still Guenther’d for a few more years. This year it’s two non-conference opponents who might combine to win 20 games and a trip to Arizona for a late-night start. Next year it’s back-to-back BCS opponents in Washington and Cincy. We’ve had the toughest non-conference schedule in the Big Ten the last 10 years by a factor of a bazillion, and that’s not going to just change overnight. It won’t be until 2014 or 2015 until we can schedule like every. other. BCS school that’s trying to build something.

OK, one more time, just for fun: Illinois hasn’t played a non-conference FBS opponent with a below .500 record since Syracuse in 2007. Northwestern hasn’t played a non-conference FBS opponent with an at-or-above-.500 record since Nevada in 2007. One AD who gets it, one AD who thought non-conference scheduling put hair on your chest.

4) Not one player on this roster has ever been trained on how to correctly block or tackle on any return. Kickoffs, punts, both coverage and returns, we’re 120th out of 120 in special teams. Which is why this coaching staff spent so much time during the spring and in Rantoul on special teams drills. How to properly shed a block. How to beat a gunner. How to set up a zone block on a kickoff. In terms of football smarts, these players were horrendously undercoached in terms of special teams. Saturday begins the long climb back.

Even with all of that, yes, this isn’t a completely broken football team. This is not 1997, when nearly every lineman was outmuscled and outsized by the entire Big Ten. This is not 2005, when there just wasn’t any team speed to speak of. A simple glance tells you that this team has two of the biggest factors for any successful college football team: an experienced quarterback and a solid defense. Our defensive line could be one of the top-10 lines in the country. It’s not often that a new coach takes over a program and inherits a top-flight defensive line.

But even with that, this still isn’t a “vibrant” program. Tim Beckman has so much skill development to do, so much recruiting to do for several empty position rosters coming soon, and so much fan interest to generate. He doesn’t have the uphill climb that Turner and Zook had, but he also doesn’t have it easy. Especially in 2013 and 2014 when the Zook’s recruiting dips really hit.

And in 5 days, we get our first look at how prepared he is to handle those obstacles. (Please be fully prepared please be fully prepared please be fully prepared)

Duce20 August 27th, 2012


This simply shows the glaring ineptitude of one Ron Guenther. He waited three years too long to fire Zook and the same for Weber. Fire Zook in ’09 and you could save the program, same for Weber instead we are dealing with piss poor recruiting and apathy.

Steve August 27th, 2012

Wish you were wrong, but you are absolutely right on. I can only say that in hindsight, I did not get it at the time. Not at all. Sadly, RG didn’t get it either; only difference? It was his job.
To your point, now both squads have to dig their way out of a big hole. Basketball could be a shorter, quicker process, just because 1-2 key recruits can dramatically change a 5 man team. Football is a 22 man team. Even 24. Big difference. But let’s start to see the progress on Saturday !!
Go Illini

mlp94595 August 27th, 2012

I think most of the blame for the sacks and TFLs last year should go to Petrino’s offense being too predictable. Except for strong side tackle, they had the same line as in 2010. I can remember a couple examples from high school where the scouting report said the other team ran a certain play from a certain formation, and in the game we knew what was coming and stopped the plays easily. And that was high school. Good scouting will reveal tendencies, and the defense will know what to expect. When the defense knows what’s coming, the offense doesn’t have a chance (unless the opponent is South Dakata State). Even Northwestern could stop the Illini running game last year.

illiniranger August 27th, 2012

i think you are right on with the predictability piece. in retrospect it is very surprising that our offense was so bad considering we brought everyone back but Mikel.

GrogsBBQPepperoni August 27th, 2012

Man, this team is really an enigma. Like you’ve said in the past, we could range anywhere from 2 to 3 wins to maybe 9 (I can’t see anymore than that even in the best scenario). I wonder if this season will be like 2008 – where our first game sets the tone for the rest of the season. Mizzou spanked us and we crawled into a shell and were just terrible.
Oh well, we need some good receiver play, that’s for sure. And I fear that we will miss Derek Dimke more than we ever anticipated. Much like we missed Santella (who also held kicks, I believe – I’m looking your way, botched kick due to a bad hold at Penn State) more than we would have thought.
Either way, go Illini!

illiniranger August 27th, 2012

@ Grogs,
We’ll do a lot better then 2-3 wins. We get bailed out HUGE by playing IU, PU, and Minny at home. We lost 2 of those 3 last year. We’ll win 2 of those 3 this year and could easily win all three.
the non-con thing is just brutal though. we should never have scheduled the teams on our schedule. I think in the non-con we will be either 2-2 or 3-1. there is a decent chance we could go 1-3. If we go 3-1 we’ll be bowling. if we go 2-2 we probably won’t.

illiniranger August 27th, 2012

and, PSU is going to be a dumpster fire AND we get them at home. They’re best offensive weapons all left and Matt McGloin is not very good. They may not score 3 TDs in a B1G game (unless they play IU.)

gusher August 27th, 2012

I agree that the offense wasn’t Scheelhause’s fault, but I think you’re underselling the state of things. Sure, the team isn’t loaded, but that just means it’s the business as usual in Champaign. The team is never loaded, and Zook was never going to recruit at Illinois like he recruited at Florida. When we’ve had big seasons, it’s usually been because of a scheduling break and some lucky bounces here and there. But I feel like you’re suggesting it would be something close to miraculous if Beckman gets more than 3 wins out of this team. Is a top 40-45 recruiting class so abysmal at a place like Illinois?
Maybe I’ve missed the coverage, but I can’t find a lot of people who claim that Beckman inherited a powerhouse program. Sure, there are a couple of guys that think we’ll win 9 games or so this year, but the overall tone is that Illinois has enough talent to go bowling, but how good that bowl ends up is uncertain.
I think you also made the special teams point sound like a negative. You literally could not field a worse special teams unit than a Ron Zook unit. It simply does not get worse. You’re better off not putting a returner back there, kicking off out of bounds, and always going for it on 4th down. That’s low-hanging fruit that no other Big Ten team has. That’s worth a win or two on its own.
One thing that I don’t think there is enough concern over is the defense. I know you’re a fan of Koenning, so I think it’s a little odd that you think the new staff won’t miss a step. Koenning is a defensive genius. Whitney, Akeem, BNB, Bussey, etc.—these guys were not big time recruits that VK turned into stars. And say what you will about Beckman, but his Toledo teams were not winning with defense. But I guess the one thing that is bugging me is the tone from Rantoul. There’s a lot of talk about how good the defense is…which is not at all what we heard last year. Last year, VK sounded like a broken man about this time. Hated his defense. What we’ve learned since then is that the guy has incredibly high standards. With all the talk coming out of Rantoul, I don’t know if the defensive standards are as high.
Big season though. TB looks to be a great recruiter so far, if he can prove he can coach we could have a huge class.

Duce20 August 27th, 2012

Steve I loudly called for their heads after their respective ’09 seasons.

WaitingFor2012 August 27th, 2012

Steve, Duce: PLENTY of people wanted Zook gone years ago. :-( (
But here (and on many other sites) people were shouted down by the crowd who would label us “haters” and tell us they were “LOL at the idea that Zook is on any sort of a hot seat”. That sort of stuff is what passed for intelligent Illini football discussion for the last few years.
Letting Zook continue not only made those types think they were actually football experts but it also led a lot of people to conclude that no one in CU actually cares about football. Those people who did care have largely given up and moved on.
Hoops is a quicker fix (potentially) not only because you can bring in one player and he’s 20% of your on-court talent, but also because there’s a much greater probability of having a freshman contribute-so the minute you get a blue chipper to campus, he’s contributing on the court. That’s not necessarily the case on the football field. Unfortunately, football rules the financial roost. The success of that sport leads to success everywhere else in college athletics.

WaitingFor2012 August 27th, 2012

“”You literally could not field a worse special teams unit than a Ron Zook unit. “”
After almost two full years of Ron Zook coaching, Rejus was quoted as saying he didn’t know you could take a knee in the endzone on a kickoff.

GrogsBBQPepperoni August 27th, 2012

I know “ranger” and everything you’re saying makes sense….but did you see that Minnesota game? We have the ability to be Jekyll and Hyde. And Mr. Hyde is a downright nasty fellow when he’s missing tackles and blocks…

Harry Lime August 28th, 2012

“Get the ball to the playmakers in space” sure sounds good to me. So did “feed the studs”. Time to walk the walk.