Signing Day Is Wednesday – Let’s Peek At The 3-Deep Again January 27, 2012
Next to hiking in the mountains with my wife and looking at gif images of a confused Pat Fitzgerald (click on it – no, seriously, click on it), my favorite thing to do in the world is to put together an Illini football depth chart. I love it so much that I go three-deep. Because it’s one more than two.
With signing day coming up next Wednesday, I thought I might go through the three-deep again to see if our current class is lining up with our future needs. I’m not gonna lie – Terry Hawthorne, Michael Buchanan, and Akeem Spence flirting with the NFL but returning to school makes this three-deep much more attractive.
I have to make a few guesses with this depth chart. We don’t really know the schemes that Gonzales/Beatty and Banks will run, so I really don’t know if I should put down four wide receivers or two tight ends. So I’ll try to cover all positions on offense (except for fullback), and I’ll return us to a basic 4-3 defense with no bandits or Busseybackers. I’m also taking out the weak/strong offensive line and going back to having a left tackle and a right tackle.
QB: Nathan Scheelhaase (JR) / Reilly O’Toole (SO) / Chase Haslett (rs-FR)
RB: Donovonn Young (SO) / Josh Ferguson (rs-FR) / Ean Days (SO)
TE: Evan Wilson (JR) / Jon Davis (SO) / Justin Lattimore (JR) / Matt LaCosse (SO)
LT: Simon Cvijanovic (rs-SO) / Patrick Flavin (rs-FR) / Chris Boles (rs-FR)
LG: Hugh Thornton (SR) / Tyler Sands (SR) / Ted Karras (rs-FR)
C: Graham Pocic (SR) / Jake Feldmeyer (JR) / Tony Durkin (rs-FR)
RG: Alex Hill (rs-SO) / Shawn Afryl (rs-SO) / Kevin Griffin (rs-SO walkon)
RT: Michael Heitz (rs-SO) / Corey Lewis (SR) / Scott McDowell (rs-FR)
WR1: Darius Millines (JR) / Jeremy Whitlow (rs-FR) / Kenny Knight (rs-FR)
WR2: Spencer Harris (JR) / Jordan Frysinger (rs-FR) / Fritz Rock (rs-SO)
WR3: Ryan Lankford (JR) / Miles Osei (JR) / Jake Kumerow (SO-walkon)
DE: Michael Buchanan (SR) / Justin Staples (SR) / Brandon Denmark (JR)
DT: Glenn Foster (SR) / Jake Howe (rs-SO) / Chris O’Connor (rs-FR)
DT: Akeem Spence (JR) / Austin Teitsma (rs-SO) / John Valentine (rs-FR walkon)
DE: Tim Kynard (JR) / DJ Woods (rs-SO) / Kenny Nelson (rs-FR)
WLB: Houston Bates (rs-SO) / Henry Dickinson (SO) / Beau Sullivan (JR walkon)
MLB: Jonathan Brown (JR) / Ralph Cooper (SO) / Alex Porter (SO walkon)
SLB: Ashante Williams (SR) / Earnest Thomas (rs-SO) / Zephaniah Grimes (rs-FR)
CB: Terry Hawthorne (SR) / Eaton Spence (rs-FR) / Kaeman Mitchell (JR walkon)
FS: Steve Hull (JR) / Ben Mathis (JR-walkon) / Austin Abner (rs-FR walkon)
SS: Supo Sanni (SR) / Patrick Nixon-Youman (SR) / Nick North (rs-FR)
CB: Justin Green (SR) / Valdon Cooper (SO) / Jack Ramsey (SR)
K: Taylor Zalewski (rs-FR) / Nick Immekus (rs-SO) / Brennen Van Mieghem (rs-FR)
P: Justin DuVernois (SO) / Brad Janitz (rs-SO) / Garrett Stroup (rs-FR)
So next year looks very defense-y. 2013 looks very offense-y. And 2014 looks very scary.
With Hawthorne, Buchanan, and Spence back, Tim Banks has a lot to work with next year. The loss of Mercilus, Thomas, Wilson, and Henry will be large – I have no idea who will be the nickel corner next year (Jack Ramsey?) – but there are some legitimate stars in Jonathan Brown, Terry Hawthorne, Michael Buchanan, and Akeem Spence. Get a few big senior years from Justin Green and Glenn Foster and maybe this defense won’t take that large of a step back.
But in 2013, from this view, yikes. Gone are Buchanan, Foster, Williams, Hawthorne, Sanni, Green, and PNY, with a good chance Akeem Spence declares early and also the possibility of Jonathan Brown leaves. Good luck, Tim Banks.
The good news is, the offense should be solid in 2013. Next year we’ll likely only have 2 seniors contributing – Hugh Thornton and Graham Pocic. Every other position – even going 4 deep at tailback and 6 deep at receiver – there are no seniors. What we see next year is basically what we’ll see in 2013.
But in 2014, from this view, yikes. We’ll lose almost all of our passing game (Scheelhaase and possibly his top 4 targets) and maybe a few more offensive linemen. Reilly O’Toole will have to develop a rapport with a whole new crop of receivers.
Now, at this point I realize the ridiculousness of projecting the 2014 team. 60% of those players aren’t even on the roster yet. But that’s why I’m doing this. I’m trying to find our needs in a few years. Football recruiting isn’t about next year – it’s about recruiting for 2-3 seasons from now. What are our needs then? In order:
- Secondary. After next season, we’ll have 4 scholarship players in the secondary: Steve Hull, Valdon Cooper, Eaton Spence, and Nick North. We should have 8 or 9.
- Defensive Line. Defensive Tackle more than Defensive End, but we need both.
- Running Back. No seniors, no juniors. At tailback right now we have Donovonn Young, Josh Ferguson, and converted safety Ean Days. We should have 5 or 6 on the roster.
- Offensive Tackle. We have a lot of guard-and-center types, but I only see 4 true tackles. I’d like to see two more.
So how does the current class break down?
QB – 0
RB – 2
OL – 3 (2 OG/C, 1 OT)
TE – 0
WR – 3
DE – 0
DT – 2
LB – 2
CB – 1
S – 2
K – 1
Combine those two lists, and here’s where it leaves us: with issues defending the pass. In a few years we’ll be woefully short at defensive end, cornerback, and safety. We’ve spent a lot of time recruiting bandits (undersized defensive ends that can also line up on a slot receiver like Brandon Denmark and Darrius Caldwell), and now we’ll be asking them to play more of a traditional defensive end role.
On offense, we’ve addressed the tailback situation (although we’ll need two more tailbacks next year), but I still feel we’re short at offensive tackle. And what happens at receiver after the Millines/Lankford/Harris trio graduates? One more thing – we’ll need a QB in next year’s class who can come in and understudy for a few years.
So in the next 5 days, I’d sure love to close on a few defensive linemen (I’m looking at you, Vincent Valentine) and maybe another cornerback (hi there, Sean Draper). And next year, a QB, a few offensive tackles, a stud receiver, a monster defensive end, two athletic corners, and a ballhawking safety are desired, nay, required. It’s only the most important recruiting class of your career – no pressure, Coach Beckman.
You’ve mentioned this many times, but I think we will have a good class in 2013. We have a staff of great recruiters (who are trying make the top instaters their top priority) and if we go to a 3rd bowl game in a row that could only help. And obviously new coaching staffs always do well in recruiting for their first couple of years because they can sell the “new vision”
Robert–Don’t forget Darius Caldwell and JT Thorton. These are two young guys who will contribute for us greatly down the line.
Mike Farrell said that Beckman would have to win first, then recruit..
So 2012 results on the field are key…a bad season this year, and this program will be back to the late 1990s post Lou Tepper..
Robert, you seem to care way more about Northwestern than any other Illini fans. Is there a reason for that?
With their tougher academic standards, they dont even recruit the same players Illinois does.
I dont even think Illinois has a rivalry with Northwestern. In basketball, its Indiana. In football, its Iowa ( i guess). Its as if you are giving NW credibility by talking about Pat Fitzgerald all the time
Robert, good stuff. I think Justin Staples is primed for an excellent sr year, based on the positive accolades he got this fall. And TE is definitely deep with Davis and LaCosse definitely playmakers. I also think Karras will surprise.
Surprised though that you don’t have Patrick Dunn (RS soph from Naz Academy) on the PK 3-deep. He was #2 behind Demke at the end of the season, traveling to Minny as one of only two kickers. And on Zook’s non-senior two-deep (posted after the last regular season game), he was listed as the #1 kicker. I’ve also heard good things about Zalewiski, so it should be an interesting battle during spring/fall camps.
As much as you enjoy coming up with a 3-Deep depth chart, I always enjoy seeing those as well. However I saw two problems with this one, which I usually agree with most of the depth charts you make. The first problem (probably not a major one) but you list Chris Boles as 3rd string left tackle? If anything I think he has a better chance of being a 3rd string guard at either side. I’ve seen this kid in person and he’s huge. He really needs to go on the Alex Hill diet (A. Hill was huge when he came in as a freshman) and hit the gym hard (Too bad we lose Coach Lou to transform this kid =( ). I don’t see him being athletic enough to work at the tackle position considering we will be running a spread offense now. The other problem with this chart is I saw that you did not list Darius Caldwell in your chart. I know he was sent home before the bowl game because of some NCAA clearinghouse issues? But did you not list him because you A– Know he’s not on the team anymore, B– Don’t know if he’s on the team anymore C– Or you don’t know if he’s still on the team or not but if he is, you still don’t see him cracking the three deep.
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I’m not sure if the new coaching staff would agree, but the old staff saw Boles as a tackle. Yes, he’d have to lose weight, but he’s surprisingly nimble for such a huge fellow. Probably still years away, though.
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As for Caldwell, he is still with the team (as far as I know). He simply couldn’t travel to the bowl game. While I see him as a very important player in the future, I’m just not sure he’s ahead of the two seniors (Buchanan and Staples) and junior (Denmark) right now. In 2013, he and Denmark chase the QB.